Bobcats Sign Shaun Livingston

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Shaun Livingston (Jose Argueta/Wizards Photos/Wizards.com)

The Charlotte Bobcats signed free agent point guard Shaun Livingston to a two-year, $7 million dollar contract today.  Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that the Cats will hold a team option for a third season.  Here are links for the AP story and Bonnell’s for the Observer.

Livingston is best known for the horrific knee injury he sustained in 2007 while playing in his third season for the Los Angeles Clippers.  Sadly, getting to “S-h-a-u-n L-” in a google search gets you suggestions of “Shaun Livingston” followed by “Shaun Livingston injury”.

After coming into the league straight from high school and seeing limited playing time his first two years, the skinny, 6’7″ point guard had begun to fulfill his potential during the 2006-07 season, averaging 9 points and 5 assists in almost 30 minutes a game.

However, disaster struck on February 26, 2007 as the Clippers were hosting (ironically) the Bobcats.  After Raymond Felton made a clean challenge on his breakaway layup attempt, Livingston landed awkwardly.  His left knee buckled medially, shredding his ACL and PCL and completely dislocating the joint in the process.

I remember being up late watching that game and cringing.  Video is readily available on the internet, as is a particularly gruesome photo that’s worth seeking out if you’ve ever wondered what the distal end of your femur looked like.

Livingston spent the 2007-08 season out of basketball rehabbing.  Since then, he has bounced around from the Heat to the Grizzlies to the Thunder before winding up with the Wizards late last season.  It was there where Livingston seemed to get his groove back.  He played in 26 games down the stretch in Washington’s lost season, starting 18 while averaging 25 minutes, 9 points and 4.5 assists per game.

Prior to today’s signing, the Bulls had shown interest in Livingston this summer, while there was sentiment in Washington that he should be resigned to back up John Wall.

Livingston makes sense for Larry Brown.  Whether it’s horrific injuries or horrific off-the-court troubles, LB loves a reclamation project.  He also likes long players who see the court well.

And there’s no question that the Cats needed some point guard depth, but Livingston’s signing is curious nonetheless.  We now have two backup-quality point guards on the roster, both being paid backup (and not “end of the bench emergency third point guard”) money.  I don’t think it’s too pessimistic to say that we are in trouble if we enter this coming season with DJ and Livingston battling it out to be the starter, nor can we realistically afford to pay one of them what they are owed for being the third point guard.

What I’m trying to say is that I think Jordan is still in the market for a starting-caliber point guard, and that the writing may be on the wall for DJ here.  Just sayin…

And here’s a couple other tidbits before I hit the sack:

  • Here’s a quick note by Bonnell regarding a small hitch in how we can use Dampier’s contract in a subsequent trade.  Essentially, Dampier’s contract can be traded anytime, but it can’t be packaged with another player/contract for 60 days.
  • Larry Hughes says he’s talked to the Bobcats about returning, but that he’s “waiting for the right situation to come up.”  Replace “the right” with “any” and I think the statement will be more accurate…

-Dr. E



POLL : What Should Bobcats Do With Erick Dampier?

  • Waive & Save $13 Mill
    (16%, 35 Votes)
  • Waive & Resign
    (12%, 26 Votes)
  • Trade For Point Guard
    (55%, 124 Votes)
  • Trade For Draft Picks (17%, 39 Votes)

Total Voters: 224

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59 thoughts on “Bobcats Sign Shaun Livingston

  1. Tyler

    iv been trying to find the report tht said the GM says he wont trade Paul and all the reports iv seen have said he was mum on it and everyone iv tlked to said he wouldnt trade him so idk

  2. RobC

    What does it matter if CP3 will be traded or not. Even if he were to be traded, THER IS NO WAY, he will end up in the team. The Bobcats DON’T HAVE THE ASSETS to trade for CP3, in if they use the only assets they have, then this will be a rebuilding team with like $9M over the Cap. It doesn’t matter how you look at it, is not happening with the Bobcats.

    Honestly, I’m starting to get really worried, and i think Dampier will simply be waived and Thomas will be our starting Center.

    DJ/Livingston
    Jackson/Henderson/Carroll
    Wallace/Brown
    Diaw/Najera/McGuire
    Thomas/Nazr/Diop

    Unfortunately, that team is not better than last season. Right now, the only team that might be a good fit for the Bobcats to trade with, is Cleveland, since they need a wing player and the Bobcats have 2 avaliable (Carroll & Henderson), since the Bobcats can sign Graham for less money, and the Cav’s would welcome Dampier financial flexibility.

    Dampier for Mo Williams
    Carroll for Delonte West ($500K guranteed)
    Diaw for Anderson Varejao

    That would put the Bobcats under the Cap and fill their need and Cleveland will get financial flexibility and a wing, plus a guy who can play every position. The Bobcats will be:

    Williams/DJ
    Jackson/Henderson/(Livingston – Combo G)
    Wallace/Brown/Graham
    Thomas/Najera/McGuire
    Varejao/Nazr/Diop

    That team, at least in papers, is better than last years team and is full of guys who can play multiple positions, just what LB likes.

  3. Justin

    I’ve always like Mo Williams…but I’m keeping my hopes out there for Paul…I don’t think it can happen, but crazier things have.

  4. RobC

    In addition Cleveland will save like $8M net in that deal if they waive Dampier. They can even resign him for a significantly lower cost, plus they still have their huge Trade Exception and three 1st Round Picks in Total to make some more moves.

  5. Charlie

    We have valuable pieces to send for Chris Paul, Dampiers contract and a couple of first rounders. That is good enough.. they know they arent going to resign CP3 in two years because he said he wouldnt unless they become championship team, and quite frankly with that roster they wont be. Also they are desiring cap relief and with dampiers contract they will get relief as well as acquiring two first round picks such as one in 2014 and 2016 would work because u cant trade two first round picks in a row. They dont need young wings like we have, they just need a backup 5, so they will simply take the relief and picks.. this would be the best scenario but obviously its probably not going to happen

  6. Charlie

    Oh i believe if CP3 came to Charlotte he would stay because the Bobcats are already a playoff team, with the addition of him they could be top 4 team in East and could compete with Heat because of the matchups. CP3 coming to Charlotte would be dream scenario, however dreams barely come true these days.

  7. Tyler

    i think he would stay in charlotte with the addition of him we could become a championship team with a good center plus come on he aint as selfish as LeBron he wont leave his home… hopefully haha

  8. spectre

    I like the Livingston acquisition, and I'm a little intrtigued by RobC's idea with Cleveland. That would fill some holes and conceivably make us a better team.

    Other than the Paul idea it's probably the best I've seen so far.

  9. Tyler

    if no Chris Paul then id like tht trade with cleveland or a trade with washington for Gilbert Arenas or Kirk Hinrich and Javale McGee

  10. I'm so wary of the Gilbert Arenas talk. He's had two knee injuries and is only getting older. In this period of the NBA, point guards are so quick and the rules hurt anyone too slow to stay with their man.

    Arenas might be able to score, but he'll get killed by young guys like Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Derron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Brandon Jennings, and Tyreke Evans (just to name a few).

    Suddenly, Javale McGee has become some sort of turbo-hyped diamond-in-the-rough young center. If he was all that good, his team wouldn't have been so horrible last year. Let's not forget that he played for the Wizards. Fair numbers for a guy on a horrible team. He's the kind of middling talent that the Bobcats always seem to find and then work really hard to unload on someone else.

  11. wes75

    All these talks about potential trades are pretty exciting to say the least. If the Bobcats somehow got CP3 and were able to keep GW, who would wear number 3?

  12. tommy87

    i like all the chatter, but a few things:

    who would actually want to have diop on their team? no body. thats who. his first name is gana… come on now. hes terrible and no one would ever take him in a trade. for anderson varejao? good joke.

    if cp3 came to charlotte, we wouldnt give him that goofy nickname. he would be chris paul the all mighty. and everyone would love him.

    and gilbert is a good idea, but risky indeed. he's definitely the star power a rebuilding team could use. however, does a good city like charlotte want that kind of negative spotlight on them?

    i love the bobcats, but they have been really disappointing. i was looking forward to some good trades year after year. but we always settle for some pretty terrible decisions. that recent trade was example. we got 2 guys that were 34 years old. now who on earth do you think would want guys that old? no one but the bobcats. our drafts are just failures. its actually a good idea to trade our picks for proven players because year after year is a disappointment.

  13. RobC

    Charlie,

    Your trade proposal for Chris Paul (Dampier + Picks) is not realistic and is not possible under the current financial struture of the Bobcats. And to answer your “implicit” question: No, that is DEFINETLY not enough when your talking about the best PG in the NBA. The Bobcats would be force to add either Wallace or Jackson. The Hornets might want Wallace, however, i would prefer to send Jackson. Plus, we would need to get back a contract, such as James Posey.

    Perhaps it would be:
    Chris Paul, James Posey and Darius Songaila
    For
    Erick Dampier, Nazr Mohamed, Two 1st Rd Picks and Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace.

    The Bobcats would need to do a VERY interesting/tempting offer in order to get Chris Paul.

    Also, remember that CP3 loves coah Byron Scott, and Cleveland currently have a better team than the Bobcats and have better assets two offer in return.

    For instance, they can offer: $14.5M trade exception, Delonte West unguaranteed contract, Mo William, the two 1st Rd Picks from Miami plus their own, plus they can take on Emeka Okafor’s contract.

    That is just an example of a team that can offer a lot more than the Bobcats. Cleveland would have Paul, Parker, Moon, Jamison and Okafor as their starting 5, with Gibson, Hickson Varejao and Powe off the bench.

  14. tommy87

    RobC-

    did you really just say that the cavaliers have a better team than the bobcats? im pretty sure thats a false statement since we had a winning record against them with lebron.

  15. Eric Barta

    aight now the best trade right now would be tyreke and jason thompson for JAX and D.J. salary would workout to then we waive dampier and sighn him as a backup for less and trade nazr and boris later on

  16. RobC

    Tommy87 –

    I can't believe you just said that. The Bobcats also have a winning record against the Lakers, however the Lakers have won 2 Championships and make it to the finals 3 times in the last 3 season. Also Cleveland won 61 games and the Bobcats won 44.

    Your comment makes no sense. The fact that we had a 3-1 record only talks about the matchup. If your statement were true, then it would be safe to say that the Bobcats were as bad as the NJ Nets, since we finished the season 2-2. Is that a true statement? That is a comment form someone that knows NOTHING about basketball.

    I can't believe that I'm even explaining this to you.

  17. tommy87

    ok robc.

    lemme get this straight. you think the cavs will be just as good this year as they were last year? if you think they can win 61 games again, just put your money on they table and we'll bet on it. i don't think the cavs are heading in the right direction. i don't see why cp3 would go there besides the coach, but even with that said, that gives him almost the same reason to come to charlotte. close to home and his connections to mj. so both charlotte and the cavs have an equal chance. and im not trying to make you angry man, so just chill. i love the bobcats and im gonna back up my team is all. sorry.

  18. Spork

    Gosh.. idk if i could give up Crash.. He's been one of the lone constants on that team.. Always hustling, always giving it all.. he is getting old and he doesn't have a great jumpshot so maybe now is the time to give him up.. but man if we did i'd be torn..

  19. RobC

    Tommy 87 –

    I'm a Bobcats fan just like you. And no, I don't think the Cavs will win 61 games, but they are good enough to win 50 easy, even now, without Lebron. However, I'm realistic and I don't think the current Bobcats roster can repeat the 44 game season.

    Also, from CP3 point of view, both Charlotte and Cleveland may have equal chances. However, that decision is not about CP3, is about New Orleans. CP3 does not decide were he'll go, he will go to the team that can offer Hew Orleans the most, and right now, the Bobcats are not that team. I'm not saying is impossible, but from all the possible options, I think is safe to say the Bobcats are the team with the least possibilities. And no, I don't like to think this way, but I'm being realistic.

    However, besides all that, I'm a season ticket holder and will be there in every game cheering for my Bobcats, just like you.

    GO BOBCATS!!!

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