Bobcats Sign Shaun Livingston

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Shaun Livingston (Jose Argueta/Wizards Photos/Wizards.com)

The Charlotte Bobcats signed free agent point guard Shaun Livingston to a two-year, $7 million dollar contract today.  Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that the Cats will hold a team option for a third season.  Here are links for the AP story and Bonnell’s for the Observer.

Livingston is best known for the horrific knee injury he sustained in 2007 while playing in his third season for the Los Angeles Clippers.  Sadly, getting to “S-h-a-u-n L-” in a google search gets you suggestions of “Shaun Livingston” followed by “Shaun Livingston injury”.

After coming into the league straight from high school and seeing limited playing time his first two years, the skinny, 6’7″ point guard had begun to fulfill his potential during the 2006-07 season, averaging 9 points and 5 assists in almost 30 minutes a game.

However, disaster struck on February 26, 2007 as the Clippers were hosting (ironically) the Bobcats.  After Raymond Felton made a clean challenge on his breakaway layup attempt, Livingston landed awkwardly.  His left knee buckled medially, shredding his ACL and PCL and completely dislocating the joint in the process.

I remember being up late watching that game and cringing.  Video is readily available on the internet, as is a particularly gruesome photo that’s worth seeking out if you’ve ever wondered what the distal end of your femur looked like.

Livingston spent the 2007-08 season out of basketball rehabbing.  Since then, he has bounced around from the Heat to the Grizzlies to the Thunder before winding up with the Wizards late last season.  It was there where Livingston seemed to get his groove back.  He played in 26 games down the stretch in Washington’s lost season, starting 18 while averaging 25 minutes, 9 points and 4.5 assists per game.

Prior to today’s signing, the Bulls had shown interest in Livingston this summer, while there was sentiment in Washington that he should be resigned to back up John Wall.

Livingston makes sense for Larry Brown.  Whether it’s horrific injuries or horrific off-the-court troubles, LB loves a reclamation project.  He also likes long players who see the court well.

And there’s no question that the Cats needed some point guard depth, but Livingston’s signing is curious nonetheless.  We now have two backup-quality point guards on the roster, both being paid backup (and not “end of the bench emergency third point guard”) money.  I don’t think it’s too pessimistic to say that we are in trouble if we enter this coming season with DJ and Livingston battling it out to be the starter, nor can we realistically afford to pay one of them what they are owed for being the third point guard.

What I’m trying to say is that I think Jordan is still in the market for a starting-caliber point guard, and that the writing may be on the wall for DJ here.  Just sayin…

And here’s a couple other tidbits before I hit the sack:

  • Here’s a quick note by Bonnell regarding a small hitch in how we can use Dampier’s contract in a subsequent trade.  Essentially, Dampier’s contract can be traded anytime, but it can’t be packaged with another player/contract for 60 days.
  • Larry Hughes says he’s talked to the Bobcats about returning, but that he’s “waiting for the right situation to come up.”  Replace “the right” with “any” and I think the statement will be more accurate…

-Dr. E



POLL : What Should Bobcats Do With Erick Dampier?

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59 Responses to “Bobcats Sign Shaun Livingston”

  1. justin
    July 14, 2010 at 10:44 pm #

    Dr. E…I’m assuming you won’t see this until morning, but the guys over at RufusonFire.com have been clinging to some info of a big trade(s) in the works, yet nothing has been disclosed yet of who we’d be dealing with and who would be involved (most speculation however seems to be around Paul and Roy coming here somehow, in exchange for Wallace, again speculation by the bloggers)…seems to have died down now though. I guess my question is, is this something to get excited about, or is this all for nothing. I”m realistic here and would love to see Paul, but seems unlikely to me. But this can’t be it from a PG perspective right? Also, not sure if you are familiar with the RufusonFire.com site…but the two guys that are mentioned as to saying they know something is going to happen soon…do you know anything about them? Blogs suggest they are part of the media. Just some thoughts before bed :)

  2. Dr. E
    July 14, 2010 at 11:03 pm #

    justin – yes, I’m aware of what went on in the comments section at RoF over the past couple days – quite wary of those commenters supposed “inside” info – at times felt a bit “hoaxy”, did it not? – but at the same time, it’s hard to look at the moves that are being made and not come to the conclusion that Jordan is trying to pull off a big move, so can’t blame anybody for wildly optimistic speculation – I’m just waiting, wondering, hoping like everyone else…

  3. Charlie
    July 15, 2010 at 2:06 am #

    Shaun livingston is going to be nice for our team because he is really good at breaking down zone defenses because of his height and penetration ability. Teams did run zone on bobcats at times last year and it worked, also Livingston could play on court same time with DJ if needed

  4. Blake
    July 15, 2010 at 2:13 am #

    oh well who cares its fun reading it honestly nobody cares if its a lie we just like excitement plus i dont think they are they would of spilled it by now but either way its exciting just to hear rumors and u kinda are being a downer haha

  5. ASChin
    July 15, 2010 at 3:13 am #

    BREAKING:

    "Inside Sources" tell me that the Bobcats are in discussions to send Eduardo Najera, Gana Diop and a carton of soured milk that's been sitting in a dead homeless man's shanty for a week to BOSTON for Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce, '86 Bird-McHale-Parish, Tom Brady and '67 Triple Crown winner Carl Yastrzemski.

  6. Justin
    July 15, 2010 at 3:39 am #

    Good one ASChin :) Personally, I still think something big can happen…but not that big. No way we get both Paul and Roy…I still think Paul is a possibility given his situation, but a slim one at best. I honestly don't believe Livingston and DJ go into the season competing for the starting job. I think DJ, Diaw and Dampier's contract will be dealt for something…but we'll see.

  7. Jordan
    July 15, 2010 at 5:02 am #

    -aschin

    r u a insider like u kno alot of people tht work for the bobcats or r u just a big fan tht knows alot and follows everything 24/7. because i thought u said u were an insider but i couldnt tell

  8. ASChin
    July 15, 2010 at 5:22 am #

    (Michael?) Jordan-

    Insider? Me? Heck no. With all the head scratching roster decisions that the Bobcats make they shouldn't have "Insiders" but rather "Whistleblowers."

    (cue up the backlight silhouette and distorted voice processor).

    But I do have "InsideSources"!!! Speaking of which:

    BREAKING: Bobcats on verge of trading Gerald Henderson and conditional second round draft pick to PITTSBURGH for Sydney Crosby, Mario Lemiux, '78 Steelers and Willie Stargell. InsideSources insist that trade won't go down unless Charlotte includes Nazr Mohammed's expiring contract in the deal.

  9. Tyler
    July 15, 2010 at 5:25 am #

    hey with dampiers contract can u not trade another player with him?

  10. ASChin
    July 15, 2010 at 5:35 am #

    Tyler-

    Bonnell explained this in detail in his latest blog entry:
    http://blogs.charlotte.com/inside_the_nba/2010/07

  11. Tyler
    July 15, 2010 at 5:36 am #

    ik but so can u just not trade one player

  12. Tyler
    July 15, 2010 at 6:04 am #

    okay so everyon in the observer is saying tht we have no way to make the team better with Dampiers contract so is this true or wat?

  13. ASChin
    July 15, 2010 at 6:51 am #


    David over at RoF can’t come out and say it (either because he’s a nice guy or because he’s digging the extra traffic) so I’ll say it here: These “Insiders” are full of fecal matter.

    Think about it, if you had inside information why would you leak it on a fan blog? Why not sell it to another team or exchange info with the traditional media. These blogs are about one thing and one thing only: Basketball Nerds aka Uber-Fans.

    We don’t have the tough job of an actual journalist (like Rick Bonnell) who has to go out and cultivate a real network of league sources and accredited journalists while relaying information based solely on “facts” and not speculation or opinion.
    We blog because it’s fun and by fabricating a false “Insider” identity, some have crossed the fine line between “Basketball Nerd” and “Creepy Basketball Nerd.”

    As for Livingston, it’s hard to believe that the Bobcats won’t bring at least one more starter-caliber player into the mix before training camp. Jordan knows that the Conference is getting better by the day and that he can’t stand around while other teams upgrade. Meanwhile, Shaun Livingston is an intriguing prospect as a backup PG and should help the Bobcats tremendously when matched up against teams like the Bulls (D.Rose) or Heat (LeBron in PG-mode).

  14. Blake
    July 15, 2010 at 6:58 am #

    -aschin
    dude who gives a crap honestly it is fun over there stop being debbie downer

  15. ASChin
    July 15, 2010 at 7:10 am #

    Blake-

    Who says I’m being a Debbie (“coulda used this food at the Superdome…”) Downer???

    Imagine if I posted something stating “Bobcats on the verge of Gana Diop/Kevin Durant trade…inside sources tell me that Thunder GM Sam Presti nearly choked to death on a hardened piece of gnocchi last evening and after suffering a mild stroke and subsequent brain damage is in discussion with Bobcats general manager Rod Higgins on a possible Gana Diop – Durant deal…” ???

    Cheap pop. To paraphrase Tony Soprano, “‘I’m an Insider’ is the lowest form of conversation!”

  16. Charlie
    July 15, 2010 at 7:23 am #

    The observer writers state facts then opinion just as we do, so believing them when they said that his contract wont make us better is absurd. One, Dampier is better than Chandler anyway, great rebounder and good shot blocker, and better on offense than Chandler. However he can only be traded by himself until 60 days from date he was traded from Dallas. A $13 million contract can get you two good players or one all star from team needed cap relief. In perspective Dampier's contract could get you two Stephen Jackson's last year.. There is alot of things the Bobcats can do with his and only his contract(and himself), however the teams shredding players for cap relief seems to be completed because the monstars have chosen where they want to go. Lets hope that there is another team out there still wanting to such as the Pacers or Clips or Hawks. By end of summer both Dampier and Diaw will be gone so there is alot to expect transaction wise from the Bobcats.

  17. RobC
    July 15, 2010 at 7:35 am #

    Tyler that is not true. The only issue is that Dampier contracts needs to be traded on its own.

    Example:

    The Bobcats can trade Dampiers ($13M) expiring contract to Cleveland for Mo Williams ($9M) and Delonte West ($4M – $500K guaranteed). Then in a second trade with the same team, Bobcats send Gana Diop ($6.5M) for Anderson Varejao ($7.5M).

    Te same can be said but trading Dampier to Washington for Arenas

    and then in a second trade, sending Diop to Washington for McGee.

    Both trades will work, since all teams are currently under the Cap, however, if the Bobcats weren't under the Cap, the Cleveland deal could be the only possibility.

  18. RobC
    July 15, 2010 at 11:08 am #

    Well the trade with Cleveland can happen, but the Bobcats would need to include one more player and the release Delonte West. Otherwise the team will be over the Cap. The deal with Washington, is quite similar, however, it could be done by being only $2-3M over the Cap (unless they can trade to make some Cap room between now and February). On the other hand, that trade could potentially make the Bobcats Championship Contenders if things work out, and we all know that is the only reason Jordan said he would be willing to pay the Luxury Tax.

  19. Tyler
    July 15, 2010 at 12:49 pm #

    -robc i think i saw in the observer comments u said tht and then one dude said tht cnt happen and i would love tht trade though

  20. Tyler
    July 15, 2010 at 4:26 pm #

    yea but ik LB atleast knows wat he is doing and ik he wouldnt let MJ make the wrong move

  21. Tyler
    July 15, 2010 at 6:19 pm #

    are Baron Davis and Chris Kaman on the block?

  22. jj
    July 16, 2010 at 1:49 am #

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

  23. Tyler
    July 16, 2010 at 9:38 am #

    i like Varejao to he kinda looks like Carrot Top

  24. Justin
    July 16, 2010 at 10:08 am #

    Guys, I know there’s alot of speculation around Chris Paul, and whether or not NO would trade him. With the recent departure of Jeff Bower, it sounds like he was the one putting Paul out there on the trade market….therefore the reason why he was fired. That tells me that Paul isn’t getting traded, unless he forces the Hornets hand. Hate to say it…but just my thought after mulling thru all the sites and rumors this past week.

  25. Tyler
    July 16, 2010 at 10:57 am #

    Bower was the one not wanting to trade him dude

  26. Justin
    July 16, 2010 at 11:03 am #

    I don’t know, I keep here conflicting reports on that…some say he wanted to, some say he didn’t…

  27. Tyler
    July 16, 2010 at 11:16 am #

    iv been trying to find the report tht said the GM says he wont trade Paul and all the reports iv seen have said he was mum on it and everyone iv tlked to said he wouldnt trade him so idk

  28. Dr. E
    July 16, 2010 at 11:56 am #

    Guys, here’s a pretty good recap of the New Orleans situation from Ken Berger at CBSsports.com — read up:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/13638347/webers-decision-to-fire-gm-hurts-hornets-alienates-paul

  29. RobC
    July 16, 2010 at 1:22 pm #

    What does it matter if CP3 will be traded or not. Even if he were to be traded, THER IS NO WAY, he will end up in the team. The Bobcats DON’T HAVE THE ASSETS to trade for CP3, in if they use the only assets they have, then this will be a rebuilding team with like $9M over the Cap. It doesn’t matter how you look at it, is not happening with the Bobcats.

    Honestly, I’m starting to get really worried, and i think Dampier will simply be waived and Thomas will be our starting Center.

    DJ/Livingston
    Jackson/Henderson/Carroll
    Wallace/Brown
    Diaw/Najera/McGuire
    Thomas/Nazr/Diop

    Unfortunately, that team is not better than last season. Right now, the only team that might be a good fit for the Bobcats to trade with, is Cleveland, since they need a wing player and the Bobcats have 2 avaliable (Carroll & Henderson), since the Bobcats can sign Graham for less money, and the Cav’s would welcome Dampier financial flexibility.

    Dampier for Mo Williams
    Carroll for Delonte West ($500K guranteed)
    Diaw for Anderson Varejao

    That would put the Bobcats under the Cap and fill their need and Cleveland will get financial flexibility and a wing, plus a guy who can play every position. The Bobcats will be:

    Williams/DJ
    Jackson/Henderson/(Livingston – Combo G)
    Wallace/Brown/Graham
    Thomas/Najera/McGuire
    Varejao/Nazr/Diop

    That team, at least in papers, is better than last years team and is full of guys who can play multiple positions, just what LB likes.

  30. Tyler
    July 16, 2010 at 1:59 pm #

    i like tht trade

  31. Justin
    July 16, 2010 at 2:35 pm #

    I’ve always like Mo Williams…but I’m keeping my hopes out there for Paul…I don’t think it can happen, but crazier things have.

  32. RobC
    July 16, 2010 at 3:08 pm #

    In addition Cleveland will save like $8M net in that deal if they waive Dampier. They can even resign him for a significantly lower cost, plus they still have their huge Trade Exception and three 1st Round Picks in Total to make some more moves.

  33. Charlie
    July 16, 2010 at 3:27 pm #

    We have valuable pieces to send for Chris Paul, Dampiers contract and a couple of first rounders. That is good enough.. they know they arent going to resign CP3 in two years because he said he wouldnt unless they become championship team, and quite frankly with that roster they wont be. Also they are desiring cap relief and with dampiers contract they will get relief as well as acquiring two first round picks such as one in 2014 and 2016 would work because u cant trade two first round picks in a row. They dont need young wings like we have, they just need a backup 5, so they will simply take the relief and picks.. this would be the best scenario but obviously its probably not going to happen

  34. Charlie
    July 16, 2010 at 7:02 pm #

    Oh i believe if CP3 came to Charlotte he would stay because the Bobcats are already a playoff team, with the addition of him they could be top 4 team in East and could compete with Heat because of the matchups. CP3 coming to Charlotte would be dream scenario, however dreams barely come true these days.

  35. Tyler
    July 16, 2010 at 8:49 pm #

    i think he would stay in charlotte with the addition of him we could become a championship team with a good center plus come on he aint as selfish as LeBron he wont leave his home… hopefully haha

  36. justin
    July 17, 2010 at 4:42 pm #

    Bonnell just posted the following…

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/07/17/15691

  37. spectre
    July 18, 2010 at 1:53 am #

    I like the Livingston acquisition, and I'm a little intrtigued by RobC's idea with Cleveland. That would fill some holes and conceivably make us a better team.

    Other than the Paul idea it's probably the best I've seen so far.

  38. Tyler
    July 18, 2010 at 7:24 am #

    if no Chris Paul then id like tht trade with cleveland or a trade with washington for Gilbert Arenas or Kirk Hinrich and Javale McGee

  39. mike15
    July 18, 2010 at 7:50 am #

    I'm so wary of the Gilbert Arenas talk. He's had two knee injuries and is only getting older. In this period of the NBA, point guards are so quick and the rules hurt anyone too slow to stay with their man.

    Arenas might be able to score, but he'll get killed by young guys like Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Rajon Rondo, Derron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Brandon Jennings, and Tyreke Evans (just to name a few).

    Suddenly, Javale McGee has become some sort of turbo-hyped diamond-in-the-rough young center. If he was all that good, his team wouldn't have been so horrible last year. Let's not forget that he played for the Wizards. Fair numbers for a guy on a horrible team. He's the kind of middling talent that the Bobcats always seem to find and then work really hard to unload on someone else.

  40. wes75
    July 18, 2010 at 5:36 pm #

    All these talks about potential trades are pretty exciting to say the least. If the Bobcats somehow got CP3 and were able to keep GW, who would wear number 3?

  41. tommy87
    July 18, 2010 at 10:37 pm #

    i like all the chatter, but a few things:

    who would actually want to have diop on their team? no body. thats who. his first name is gana… come on now. hes terrible and no one would ever take him in a trade. for anderson varejao? good joke.

    if cp3 came to charlotte, we wouldnt give him that goofy nickname. he would be chris paul the all mighty. and everyone would love him.

    and gilbert is a good idea, but risky indeed. he's definitely the star power a rebuilding team could use. however, does a good city like charlotte want that kind of negative spotlight on them?

    i love the bobcats, but they have been really disappointing. i was looking forward to some good trades year after year. but we always settle for some pretty terrible decisions. that recent trade was example. we got 2 guys that were 34 years old. now who on earth do you think would want guys that old? no one but the bobcats. our drafts are just failures. its actually a good idea to trade our picks for proven players because year after year is a disappointment.

  42. Eric Barta
    July 19, 2010 at 7:08 am #

    arenas and mcGee for augustin boris and diop and maybe a future 2nd round pick if neccesary

  43. RobC
    July 19, 2010 at 9:23 am #

    Charlie,

    Your trade proposal for Chris Paul (Dampier + Picks) is not realistic and is not possible under the current financial struture of the Bobcats. And to answer your “implicit” question: No, that is DEFINETLY not enough when your talking about the best PG in the NBA. The Bobcats would be force to add either Wallace or Jackson. The Hornets might want Wallace, however, i would prefer to send Jackson. Plus, we would need to get back a contract, such as James Posey.

    Perhaps it would be:
    Chris Paul, James Posey and Darius Songaila
    For
    Erick Dampier, Nazr Mohamed, Two 1st Rd Picks and Stephen Jackson or Gerald Wallace.

    The Bobcats would need to do a VERY interesting/tempting offer in order to get Chris Paul.

    Also, remember that CP3 loves coah Byron Scott, and Cleveland currently have a better team than the Bobcats and have better assets two offer in return.

    For instance, they can offer: $14.5M trade exception, Delonte West unguaranteed contract, Mo William, the two 1st Rd Picks from Miami plus their own, plus they can take on Emeka Okafor’s contract.

    That is just an example of a team that can offer a lot more than the Bobcats. Cleveland would have Paul, Parker, Moon, Jamison and Okafor as their starting 5, with Gibson, Hickson Varejao and Powe off the bench.

  44. tommy87
    July 19, 2010 at 11:29 am #

    RobC-

    did you really just say that the cavaliers have a better team than the bobcats? im pretty sure thats a false statement since we had a winning record against them with lebron.

  45. Eric Barta
    July 19, 2010 at 11:53 am #

    aight now the best trade right now would be tyreke and jason thompson for JAX and D.J. salary would workout to then we waive dampier and sighn him as a backup for less and trade nazr and boris later on

  46. Q
    July 19, 2010 at 12:47 pm #

    eric u do understand trades have to be fair right?

  47. RobC
    July 19, 2010 at 2:43 pm #

    Tommy87 –

    I can't believe you just said that. The Bobcats also have a winning record against the Lakers, however the Lakers have won 2 Championships and make it to the finals 3 times in the last 3 season. Also Cleveland won 61 games and the Bobcats won 44.

    Your comment makes no sense. The fact that we had a 3-1 record only talks about the matchup. If your statement were true, then it would be safe to say that the Bobcats were as bad as the NJ Nets, since we finished the season 2-2. Is that a true statement? That is a comment form someone that knows NOTHING about basketball.

    I can't believe that I'm even explaining this to you.

  48. tommy87
    July 19, 2010 at 2:59 pm #

    ok robc.

    lemme get this straight. you think the cavs will be just as good this year as they were last year? if you think they can win 61 games again, just put your money on they table and we'll bet on it. i don't think the cavs are heading in the right direction. i don't see why cp3 would go there besides the coach, but even with that said, that gives him almost the same reason to come to charlotte. close to home and his connections to mj. so both charlotte and the cavs have an equal chance. and im not trying to make you angry man, so just chill. i love the bobcats and im gonna back up my team is all. sorry.

  49. Spork
    July 19, 2010 at 4:41 pm #

    Gosh.. idk if i could give up Crash.. He's been one of the lone constants on that team.. Always hustling, always giving it all.. he is getting old and he doesn't have a great jumpshot so maybe now is the time to give him up.. but man if we did i'd be torn..

  50. RobC
    July 19, 2010 at 4:55 pm #

    Tommy 87 –

    I'm a Bobcats fan just like you. And no, I don't think the Cavs will win 61 games, but they are good enough to win 50 easy, even now, without Lebron. However, I'm realistic and I don't think the current Bobcats roster can repeat the 44 game season.

    Also, from CP3 point of view, both Charlotte and Cleveland may have equal chances. However, that decision is not about CP3, is about New Orleans. CP3 does not decide were he'll go, he will go to the team that can offer Hew Orleans the most, and right now, the Bobcats are not that team. I'm not saying is impossible, but from all the possible options, I think is safe to say the Bobcats are the team with the least possibilities. And no, I don't like to think this way, but I'm being realistic.

    However, besides all that, I'm a season ticket holder and will be there in every game cheering for my Bobcats, just like you.

    GO BOBCATS!!!

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